Отправлено: 03.12.07 22:37. Заголовок: Словацкий БА ??

Поляки гутарят что это таки OA vz.30.Oznaczony

 Отправлено: 12.12.07 17:40. Заголовок: Во время войны из По..

Во время войны из Полщу Гаш был чатар аспирант. Thats mean he was soon suppose to get rank of Lt.

Sorry Alex, too many questions so I will switch to English now.

Battel for Lipovec is by some historians taken as a tragedy. Not efficient recon leaded to day long battle in which Slovaks lost 60 death and over 100 wounded.

Slovaks attacke at 5.00 AM. A lot of fights around 6.00/ Soviet artillery was able to shoot at road going to Lipovec.
Before noon Slovaks were able to take the hill between Lipovec and Felixovka,
At 12.30 started attack on Lipovec
Slovak infantry and tanks took hills on both sides of the road ti Lipovec. Motorized infantry an AT artillery started to move by road toward Lipovec but were attacked by soviet artillery and took huge casualties.
Slovak artillery started anti battery fire to help infantry and AT on the road and for an hour Slovak and Soviet artillery were shooting at each other.
Around 16.00 Slovak got into Lipovec.
Even when it looked like Slovaks already had the Lipovec, and Pilfousek was at 17.00 moving rest of the brigade to Lipovec soviet contra attacked with 2 battalions and for time divided brigade to two parts, cutting elements in Lipovec from the rest of the brigade. Part of the brigade out of the town retreated in chaos and building panic. Officers were able contain this panic and organized the the troops and stopped the Soviet contra attack.

6 tanks were sent to Lipovec to help Slovak infantry cuted off there. In town they were joined by another Slovak tank.
Fights in town continued till 22.00. Another 2 Slovak tanks were destroyed by Soivet AT guns. Crew escaped alive.
After 22.00 Slovaks in the town decided to break through the soviet lines. Next day was Lipovec taken without fight as soviet troops in the area retreated.

I don't remeber the soviet units number but I think it was 43rd or 44th soivet mountain div.

 Отправлено: 12.12.07 17:42. Заголовок: Во время войны из По..

Fot the battles of OA vz 30 from Slovak Security Division near Lojev.
Details are know.
Gas was sick and same problem as with Lipovec happened. Poor recon.
4 OA vz 30 under command of lt. Bagar entered village together with the trucks of infantery.
Partisans were waiting and attacked trucks in the end of the column and destroing them by mortatrs. Then they attacked by mortars and antitank rifles OA's. 2 were destroyed 1 demaged. Lt Bagar and 4 men from OAs were killed. Casaulties of infantry I don't remeber.

 Отправлено: 13.12.07 16:16. Заголовок: pitika пишет: Во вр..

pitika пишет:

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Во время войны из Полщу Гаш был чатар аспирант. Thats mean he was soon suppose to get rank of Lt. Sorry Alex, too many questions so I will switch to English now. Battel for Lipovec is by some historians taken as a tragedy. Not efficient recon leaded to day long battle in which Slovaks lost 60 death and over 100 wounded. Slovaks attacke at 5.00 AM. A lot of fights around 6.00/ Soviet artillery was able to shoot at road going to Lipovec. Before noon Slovaks were able to take the hill between Lipovec and Felixovka, At 12.30 started attack on Lipovec Slovak infantry and tanks took hills on both sides of the road ti Lipovec. Motorized infantry an AT artillery started to move by road toward Lipovec but were attacked by soviet artillery and took huge casualties. Slovak artillery started anti battery fire to help infantry and AT on the road and for an hour Slovak and Soviet artillery were shooting at each other. Around 16.00 Slovak got into Lipovec. Even when it looked like Slovaks already had the Lipovec, and Pilfousek was at 17.00 moving rest of the brigade to Lipovec soviet contra attacked with 2 battalions and for time divided brigade to two parts, cutting elements in Lipovec from the rest of the brigade. Part of the brigade out of the town retreated in chaos and building panic. Officers were able contain this panic and organized the the troops and stopped the Soviet contra attack. 6 tanks were sent to Lipovec to help Slovak infantry cuted off there. In town they were joined by another Slovak tank. Fights in town continued till 22.00. Another 2 Slovak tanks were destroyed by Soivet AT guns. Crew escaped alive. After 22.00 Slovaks in the town decided to break through the soviet lines. Next day was Lipovec taken without fight as soviet troops in the area retreated. I don't remeber the soviet units number but I think it was 43rd or 44th soivet mountain div.

Спасибо Петер за очень хороший ответ. Я надеюсь ты понимаешь мой русский.
Еще вопрос: в некоторых источниках (source) я встречал информацию, что словакам помогали немцы. Так это или нет?
1 уничтоженный танк был с сорванной башней (внутренний взрыв боекомплекта, burn ammo)?

 Отправлено: 13.12.07 16:18. Заголовок: pitika пишет: Fot t..

pitika пишет:

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Fot the battles of OA vz 30 from Slovak Security Division near Lojev. Details are know. Gas was sick and same problem as with Lipovec happened. Poor recon. 4 OA vz 30 under command of lt. Bagar entered village together with the trucks of infantery. Partisans were waiting and attacked trucks in the end of the column and destroing them by mortatrs. Then they attacked by mortars and antitank rifles OA's. 2 were destroyed 1 demaged. Lt Bagar and 4 men from OAs were killed. Casaulties of infantry I don't remeber.

Great Thanks Peter!

Peter, tell what your source about it?

 Отправлено: 13.12.07 19:43. Заголовок: Извини мня, я хател ..

Извини мня,
я хател написать што 2 роты немцев боевали со цловаками при Липовци после 17.00 вечером но забыл. Мне нужна книгу пасмотрит од каторей дивизии и баталиона немци былы.

Танк с сорванной башней это йест танк на фотке мы роговорываме во форуме танкы (LТ-38 V-3000, 311 на башни???)
Поыему башна серванна я незнаю но я мож пасмотрит.

Интересное ест што на Словации ест деревньа Липовец кде во время Словацкого Националног Повстаниа Словакы боевали против Немцем.

Мой источник дла информации о цловаках в деревни Лозев чи Ложев: Kliment, Ch: Slovenska armada 1939-1945 in English Kliment, Ch: Germany's First Ally: Armed Forces of the Slovak State 1939-1945

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 18:48. Заголовок: Белик Сай Хан пишет:..

Белик Сай Хан пишет:

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1 уничтоженный танк был с сорванной башней (внутренний взрыв боекомплекта, burn ammo)?

LT-38 V-3000 с сорванной башней был попад из протитанковой пушкы в двигател и подзней попал несколко следуйющич попаданий из протитанковой пушки с наступным внутренним взрывом боекомплекта.
Что случилос с екипажшм сейчас я незнаю.

протитанковaя пушка = AT Gun, am I right?
Как вы скажете anti tank rifle?

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 19:00. Заголовок: pitika пишет: проти..

pitika пишет:

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протитанковaя пушка = AT Gun, am I right? Как вы скажете anti tank rifle?

ATG - Противотанковая пушка (ПТО)

ATR - ПТР (противотанковое ружье) in Russian

Thanks Peter!

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 19:02. Заголовок: Петер, продолжая тем..

Петер, продолжая тему "рыхла группа/бригада/дивизия". Ты можешь сказать, с какими советскими танковыми частями (unit) могли встречаться slovensкi obreny jednotki летом 1941?

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 19:21. Заголовок: Белик Сай Хан пишет:..

Белик Сай Хан пишет:

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ATG - Противотанковая пушка (ПТО) ATR - ПТР (противотанковое ружье) in Russian

Спасибо

Белик Сай Хан пишет:

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Петер, продолжая тему "рыхла группа/бригада/дивизия". Ты можешь сказать, с какими советскими танковыми частями (unit) могли встречаться slovensкi obreny jednotki летом 1941?

Actually after Lipovec (Lipovets in English Literature???) Slovaks decided to take all their tanks back to Slovakia, as it was told to Germans "Slovaks are not able in field repair their tanks". What a bull...
Probably higher command and politicians tought it's better to save some tanks for case Hungarians will be again to jumpy. :D
So I don't think Slovaks fought against some bigger Soviet tank unit.

Sorry, I switch to English again. Hope, you guys don't mind.

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 19:38. Заголовок: pitika пишет: Actua..

pitika пишет:

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Actually after Lipovec (Lipovets in English Literature???) Slovaks decided to take all their tanks back to Slovakia, as it was told to Germans "Slovaks are not able in field repair their tanks". What a bull... Probably higher command and politicians tought it's better to save some tanks for case Hungarians will be again to jumpy. :D So I don't think Slovaks fought against some bigger Soviet tank unit. Sorry, I switch to English again. Hope, you guys don't mind.

Нет, возражений нет. Хоть на словацком.
А до Липовец могли быть бои с советскими танками?

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 20:31. Заголовок: Белик Сай Хан пишет:..

Белик Сай Хан пишет:

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А до Липовец могли быть бои с советскими танками?

Never heard of but just to make 100 % sure, I will look

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 20:44. Заголовок: pitika пишет: Never..

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Never heard of but just to make 100 % sure, I will look

Peter, excuse, still more many questions. I hope also we shall answer all your questions.

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 20:52. Заголовок: Hello Alex, no probl..

Hello Alex, no problem. If I will know I will answer.
And if you can do me favor, write here in Russian so I can learn few new words ;) That's how I started with English, first I red (web, books and then I started to write and speak :D ). With my anti talent for languages and grammar (even Slovak unfortunately) there is not other way. :D

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 21:06. Заголовок: pitika пишет: Hello..

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Hello Alex, no problem. If I will know I will answer. And if you can do me favor, write here in Russian so I can learn few new words ;) That's how I started with English, first I red (web, books and then I started to write and speak :D ). With my anti talent for languages and grammar (even Slovak unfortunately) there is not other way. :D

ОК. And we shall do, aha...

Вопрос такой: Есть ли данные о словацких противотанкистах (ATG crew), подбивших советские танки летом 1941 года?

 Отправлено: 14.12.07 22:03. Заголовок: Alex, I don't th..

Alex, I don't think so. Look. In summer, Slovaks were mostly barely catching up with Germans and were mostly used to clear rear areas. So in summer for Slovaks mostly it was infantry battles with support of artillery.
I know about battery of Slovak artillery (105 mm probably) who were given to some German unit as their artillery support. Have to check if they destroyed some tank or tanks, but you have to note, they were not AT.
Maybe something in winter 1941/42 on river Mzha where Slovak Fast division was kept in defense but it was not much maybe 1 tank.

 Отправлено: 16.02.08 18:22. Заголовок: Где то в Чехословаки..

Где то в Чехословакишен, 1944 год.

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Best Regards!

B.S.Khan.

 Отправлено: 17.02.08 07:53. Заголовок: Hello Alex, you are ..

Hello Alex, you are lucky,

just today i went through some of my books and smaller version of this picture was in the book. But the description said:
Two armored cars Tatra from 15th Police armored company during anti partisan operation near village Kocevje (Кочевйе) in south-easten Slovenia in January 1944. From book Obrnena technika 5 - Stredna Europa 1919-45.

So it is Slovenia in former Yugoslavia not Slovakia in former Czechoslovakia.

The terrain looks indeed like in early spring or late fall.

 Отправлено: 17.02.08 08:34. Заголовок: pitika пишет: From ..

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From book Obrnena technika 5 - Stredna Europa 1919-45.

Привет Петер!

Это переиздание книги?

 Отправлено: 17.02.08 18:43. Заголовок: Hello Alex. The boo..

Hello Alex.
The book title is really Obrnena technika 5 - Stredna Europa I 1919-45 (Armored vehicles 5 - Central Europe I 1939-1945)
Authors: I. Pejcoch, O. Pejs
Book is in Czech language.
Then there is Obrnena technika 6 - Stredna Europa II 1919-45 (Armored vehicles 5 - Central Europe II 1939-1945).
Books concentrates on armor from Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary and Poland

These authors also published Obrnena technika 1 and 2 (Germany), Obrnena technika 3 and 4 (USSR). I am not sure if there is something newer from them.

 Отправлено: 17.02.08 18:54. Заголовок: pitika пишет: Hello..

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Hello Alex. The book title is really Obrnena technika 5 - Stredna Europa I 1919-45 (Armored vehicles 5 - Central Europe I 1939-1945) Authors: I. Pejcoch, O. Pejs

Я имею несколько электронных страниц этой книги. Кажется она довольно авторитетна.
Скажи Петер, есть ли там что нибудь о сербской БТТ?